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	Comments on: Speaking of disclosing convictions on an application: Did a Caroline County Sheriff&#8217;s Office sergeant disclose his involvement in the tear gas attack of a gay bar when he was hired?	</title>
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		By: Mulhlnd		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 19:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wickstrom doesn&#039;t remember the story correctly... I was there when this happened and Brian (the one who stood up and told the truth) stuck to his story that he was drunk and didn&#039;t remember anything. Ryan (the one who actually tossed the tear gas canister into the bar) got a couple years in the brig and a bad conduct discharge. The day of Nutter&#039;s court hearing I was there in court. Metro DC Police officers were there and testified that a Marine from WHCA called them and told them Nutter wanted to talk to them. They went and interviewed him and he told them all about the incident. They testified that without Nutter reaching out to them they probably would have never solved the case and if the case was handled by the DC courts, he never would have been charged. Nutter got 15 days or something like that in the brig but they suspended that, demoted him to private or PFC and gave him a general discharge under honorable circumstances. All of them except Ryan were offered to re-enlist for another 4 years and get an honorable discharge after that. I remember talking to Nutter about that and trying to convince him to stay in, he was a good Marine. Because he was the &quot;snitch&quot; that got them all charged, he went through some rough stuff and said he didn&#039;t care, he just wanted to get out. The rest of them got bad conduct discharges. And if you know the story, Ripkowski was never so much as questioned about telling the &quot;fireside story&quot; to them the night before about the time him and his platoon buddies did the same thing to the same bar back in the 80&#039;s, which was what gave Ryan the idea. According to all of them, they didn&#039;t know Ryan had the CS canister until he stopped in front of the bar and pulled it out...I&#039;m actually glad to hear he persevered, he was a good kid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wickstrom doesn&#8217;t remember the story correctly&#8230; I was there when this happened and Brian (the one who stood up and told the truth) stuck to his story that he was drunk and didn&#8217;t remember anything. Ryan (the one who actually tossed the tear gas canister into the bar) got a couple years in the brig and a bad conduct discharge. The day of Nutter&#8217;s court hearing I was there in court. Metro DC Police officers were there and testified that a Marine from WHCA called them and told them Nutter wanted to talk to them. They went and interviewed him and he told them all about the incident. They testified that without Nutter reaching out to them they probably would have never solved the case and if the case was handled by the DC courts, he never would have been charged. Nutter got 15 days or something like that in the brig but they suspended that, demoted him to private or PFC and gave him a general discharge under honorable circumstances. All of them except Ryan were offered to re-enlist for another 4 years and get an honorable discharge after that. I remember talking to Nutter about that and trying to convince him to stay in, he was a good Marine. Because he was the &#8220;snitch&#8221; that got them all charged, he went through some rough stuff and said he didn&#8217;t care, he just wanted to get out. The rest of them got bad conduct discharges. And if you know the story, Ripkowski was never so much as questioned about telling the &#8220;fireside story&#8221; to them the night before about the time him and his platoon buddies did the same thing to the same bar back in the 80&#8217;s, which was what gave Ryan the idea. According to all of them, they didn&#8217;t know Ryan had the CS canister until he stopped in front of the bar and pulled it out&#8230;I&#8217;m actually glad to hear he persevered, he was a good kid.</p>
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		By: Dubby		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 14:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Interesting article.  You should also look into Henrico PD reports and see if there is a report associated with Nutter after one of the NASCAR races several years ago - maybe 2005 fall race? I don&#039;t recall what I was told by a relative of his.

Do you have a running list of all the Caroline deputies who have been arrested either before, during or after their time on the job?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article.  You should also look into Henrico PD reports and see if there is a report associated with Nutter after one of the NASCAR races several years ago &#8211; maybe 2005 fall race? I don&#8217;t recall what I was told by a relative of his.</p>
<p>Do you have a running list of all the Caroline deputies who have been arrested either before, during or after their time on the job?</p>
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		By: Kenneth Wickstrom		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kenneth Wickstrom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2012 15:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.imsurroundedbyidiots.com/2009/07/24/speaking-of-disclosing-convictions-on-an-application-did-a-caroline-county-sheriffs-office-sergeant-disclose-his-involvement-in-the-tear-gas-attack-of-a-gay-bar-when-he-was-hired/comment-page-1/#comment-13620&quot;&gt;Timothy Watson&lt;/a&gt;.

When this event took place I was a Corporal at the Marine Barracks Washington D.C.. I was also present during the trial as I was a Chaser/Bailiff from their unit as required. I am not defending what these Marines did. I also would not classify it as a hate crime. You had a group of young men on a Saturday night. One pulls out a (stolen) CS Grenade and shows his friends. Someone gets the stupid idea to use it. During my time of escorting the men I heard the story many times. All stated that they did not know it was a gay establishment. I believe this. I think it was wrong to have done it anywhere it might have caused injury to someone. 
Out of the five, four where given bad conduct discharges. Only one stood up and said he was wrong in what he had done and that felt regret for putting someone in danger and embarrassing the Marine Corps. This individual was demoted to E-1/Private but allowed to stay in the Marine Corps. Point of fact he did not throw the grenade nor steal it. 
Also I want to clarify that the time of confinement was time served while awaiting trial. No time was given to follow the court proceedings. 
These young men did a stupid thing and they paid for it severely. I hope today that the four who were discharged have matured and are serving society in a beneficial way. If Deputy Sherif Nutter is serving his community and has done so in a commendable way, I fail to see why this is a matter. Has he done anything during his time at the Sherif&#039;s office that should be questioned?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.imsurroundedbyidiots.com/2009/07/24/speaking-of-disclosing-convictions-on-an-application-did-a-caroline-county-sheriffs-office-sergeant-disclose-his-involvement-in-the-tear-gas-attack-of-a-gay-bar-when-he-was-hired/comment-page-1/#comment-13620">Timothy Watson</a>.</p>
<p>When this event took place I was a Corporal at the Marine Barracks Washington D.C.. I was also present during the trial as I was a Chaser/Bailiff from their unit as required. I am not defending what these Marines did. I also would not classify it as a hate crime. You had a group of young men on a Saturday night. One pulls out a (stolen) CS Grenade and shows his friends. Someone gets the stupid idea to use it. During my time of escorting the men I heard the story many times. All stated that they did not know it was a gay establishment. I believe this. I think it was wrong to have done it anywhere it might have caused injury to someone.<br />
Out of the five, four where given bad conduct discharges. Only one stood up and said he was wrong in what he had done and that felt regret for putting someone in danger and embarrassing the Marine Corps. This individual was demoted to E-1/Private but allowed to stay in the Marine Corps. Point of fact he did not throw the grenade nor steal it.<br />
Also I want to clarify that the time of confinement was time served while awaiting trial. No time was given to follow the court proceedings.<br />
These young men did a stupid thing and they paid for it severely. I hope today that the four who were discharged have matured and are serving society in a beneficial way. If Deputy Sherif Nutter is serving his community and has done so in a commendable way, I fail to see why this is a matter. Has he done anything during his time at the Sherif&#8217;s office that should be questioned?</p>
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		By: Stephanie Osborne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 15:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He was not convicted. As such, he has every right to carry a firearm. He is making a difference in his current position as well - as is evident. Take up a hobby. Find something to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was not convicted. As such, he has every right to carry a firearm. He is making a difference in his current position as well &#8211; as is evident. Take up a hobby. Find something to do.</p>
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		By: Mike Jones		</title>
		<link>https://www.imsurroundedbyidiots.com/2009/07/24/speaking-of-disclosing-convictions-on-an-application-did-a-caroline-county-sheriffs-office-sergeant-disclose-his-involvement-in-the-tear-gas-attack-of-a-gay-bar-when-he-was-hired/comment-page-1/#comment-14095</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 00:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thats your opinion Timothy. I havent seen anything personally or a scanned image on the web validating any of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats your opinion Timothy. I havent seen anything personally or a scanned image on the web validating any of it.</p>
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		By: Timothy Watson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike, Lippa&#039;s ethics standards must not apply to himself since he goes around hiring relatives and pursing a vendetta with BS charges against someone because he got a job over Lippa&#039;s son-in-law.

And Mike, you can choose not to believe this information or not, but it&#039;s the truth.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, Lippa&#8217;s ethics standards must not apply to himself since he goes around hiring relatives and pursing a vendetta with BS charges against someone because he got a job over Lippa&#8217;s son-in-law.</p>
<p>And Mike, you can choose not to believe this information or not, but it&#8217;s the truth.</p>
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		By: Mike Jones		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Jones]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Timothy Watson Says: 

Just because some Yankee gets a single name wrong and doesn’t know the difference between a police department and a sheriff’s office doesn’t it make untrue.

Oh, and I’m just waiting for the lawsuit Mike. I’ll be sure to file discovery motions for every one of Nutter’s military and sheriff’s office personnel documents.&quot;

Ok, so now its a yankee that supposedly has no idea what the difference between a sheriffs office and a police department is? I thought it was a Washington based newspaper that posted the initial information? There are sheriffs offices and police departments in all states on the east coast, I cant speak for the west coast but I am sure it is very similar. For someone to not know the difference is beyond me. 

Also, for the record, Lippa is very picky about who represents him as a deputy sheriff for Caroline County so if Nutter had a criminal background, he would have been fired, not promoted. Lippa&#039;s ethics standards are way too high and his arrogance would not allow him to retain such a person as it leads back to him, the Sheriff in the end regardless of what administration hired him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Timothy Watson Says: </p>
<p>Just because some Yankee gets a single name wrong and doesn’t know the difference between a police department and a sheriff’s office doesn’t it make untrue.</p>
<p>Oh, and I’m just waiting for the lawsuit Mike. I’ll be sure to file discovery motions for every one of Nutter’s military and sheriff’s office personnel documents.&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok, so now its a yankee that supposedly has no idea what the difference between a sheriffs office and a police department is? I thought it was a Washington based newspaper that posted the initial information? There are sheriffs offices and police departments in all states on the east coast, I cant speak for the west coast but I am sure it is very similar. For someone to not know the difference is beyond me. </p>
<p>Also, for the record, Lippa is very picky about who represents him as a deputy sheriff for Caroline County so if Nutter had a criminal background, he would have been fired, not promoted. Lippa&#8217;s ethics standards are way too high and his arrogance would not allow him to retain such a person as it leads back to him, the Sheriff in the end regardless of what administration hired him.</p>
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		By: Mike Jones		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[justice4all Says: 

&quot;Mike – DCJS &#038; background investigations don’t weed out everyone with a past… This story wasn’t hugely publicized, but it’s a good lesson:
http://wfls.com/News/FLS/2006/112006/11092006/235741&quot;

I am aware that they do not weed out everything. Thats what the background check thru the agency is for and they do in fact miss certain things in a persons background.

IMHO, I would think that someone who is opening themselves up to a potential lawsuit regarding the character and reputation of &quot;ANY&quot; Law enforcement officer would want to have their facts straight prior to opening their mouths or in this case, posting it to a blog. It could be true but im not going to validate any of it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>justice4all Says: </p>
<p>&#8220;Mike – DCJS &amp; background investigations don’t weed out everyone with a past… This story wasn’t hugely publicized, but it’s a good lesson:<br />
<a href="http://wfls.com/News/FLS/2006/112006/11092006/235741" rel="nofollow ugc">http://wfls.com/News/FLS/2006/112006/11092006/235741</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>I am aware that they do not weed out everything. Thats what the background check thru the agency is for and they do in fact miss certain things in a persons background.</p>
<p>IMHO, I would think that someone who is opening themselves up to a potential lawsuit regarding the character and reputation of &#8220;ANY&#8221; Law enforcement officer would want to have their facts straight prior to opening their mouths or in this case, posting it to a blog. It could be true but im not going to validate any of it.</p>
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		By: justice4all		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 13:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike - DCJS &#038; background investigations don&#039;t weed out everyone with a past... This story wasn&#039;t hugely publicized, but it&#039;s a good lesson:
http://wfls.com/News/FLS/2006/112006/11092006/235741]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike &#8211; DCJS &amp; background investigations don&#8217;t weed out everyone with a past&#8230; This story wasn&#8217;t hugely publicized, but it&#8217;s a good lesson:<br />
<a href="http://wfls.com/News/FLS/2006/112006/11092006/235741" rel="nofollow ugc">http://wfls.com/News/FLS/2006/112006/11092006/235741</a></p>
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		By: Timothy Watson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timothy Watson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just because some Yankee gets a single name wrong and doesn&#039;t know the difference between a police department and a sheriff&#039;s office doesn&#039;t it make untrue.

Oh, and I&#039;m just waiting for the lawsuit Mike. I&#039;ll be sure to file discovery motions for every one of Nutter&#039;s military and sheriff&#039;s office personnel documents.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because some Yankee gets a single name wrong and doesn&#8217;t know the difference between a police department and a sheriff&#8217;s office doesn&#8217;t it make untrue.</p>
<p>Oh, and I&#8217;m just waiting for the lawsuit Mike. I&#8217;ll be sure to file discovery motions for every one of Nutter&#8217;s military and sheriff&#8217;s office personnel documents.</p>
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